This could possibly be entitled “How Keith Raniere stole motherhood from Lauren Salzman.”
For sure he robbed her of that golden dream. She is now 42 and doubtless headed off to jail quickly. For sure she by no means had a baby with Keith and received’t be having a baby with him – until the feds change the foundations and permit conjugal visits they usually get married.
At 42, what are her probabilities, after getting out of jail, two or 5 years from now, of discovering one other man and getting pregnant?
Additionally it is fascinating to see how, as we will see under, after some 12 years of Keith promising her a baby, he lastly informed her in 2015 that he was considering of getting a baby with Mariana Fernandez.
Lauren freaked out. He obtained Rosa Laura Junco [who had five children with two different men] to speak her into staying.
Then after Raniere obtained Mariana pregnant, he didn’t inform Lauren. He obtained Rosa Laura to enroll her into DOS and obtained her branded first. [With an extra large brand – 3 inches by 3 inches – which I now suspect may not been a mistake but deliberately made large.]
Then solely after she was branded and gave collateral and made a lifetime vow to remain as Raniere’s slave for all times, did Raniere dare inform her that he obtained Mariana pregnant.
Whereas Lauren was insane to have stayed with Raniere [and with her mother, Nancy] – and whereas Lauren might have finished many foul deeds in his identify – I believe she deserves some leniency. If I had been the sentencing choose, I’d contemplate a suspended sentence. And add what she would have gotten to Raniere’s sentence.
You be the choose.
That is Half 12 of our collection on Lauren Salzman
rt 1: How Lauren Salzman Described Her Branding Session
Half 2: Lauren Salzman Recruited Sarah Edmondson by Mendacity and Agreed Sarah Ought to Cuckold Her Husband if Raniere Commanded
Half three: Lauren Salzman Describes Collateral She Bought From Her Slaves, After Mendacity to Them About DOS
Half four: Lauren Salzman Manufacturers 5 Slaves Mendacity to Them In regards to the Model; Turns into the Main Recruiter of DOS
Half 5 Lauren Salzman and Her Slaves Bought Naked-Ass Paddling
Half 6: Lauren Salzman Manages Her Slaves – With Cruelty and Madness
Half 7: Lauren Salzman Describes Intercourse Life With Keith, Threesomes, Nude Pictures, How She Kissed One other Man and How She Talked Different Girls Into Staying With the Monster
Half eight: Extra Madness: Lauren Salzman Touches Man at Volleyball; Keith Says ‘No Avatar Child’
Half 9 Lauren Salzman Despatched to Thoughts-F–okay Homosexual Lady Who Did Not Need Keith as a Sperm Donor
Half 10 Lauren Salzman Describes DOS First Line Slave Masters, Admits She Wrote Letter Supporting Nicki Clyne’s and Allison Mack’s Faux Marriage
Half 11 Lauren Salzman Explains Raniere’s Creepy Readiness Drills
Assistant Us Lawyer Tanya Hajjar is inspecting the witness Lauren Salzman within the trial of Keith Alan Raniere.
Q Did you ever focus on having kids with the defendant?
Q Did you need a youngster with the defendant?
Q Are you able to clarify these discussions? What discussions you had with him?
A Effectively, we began — I imply, I believe I began speaking about having kids … throughout the first 5 years of our relationship. I had expressed that I needed to have kids.
And once I beginning getting nearer to 30, I began pushing that I assumed I needed to do it sooner. And he had at all times mentioned that we’d do this, that that could possibly be one thing that we might do.
After which I informed you about what occurred in 2011 [she jumped on another man at volleyball], so it was postpone. [Keith was outraged and told her he planned to suspend having children with her] After which I needed to go away in 2013, and he mentioned we’d do it if I stayed, after which I stayed, and we weren’t doing it. And it was simply this endless factor that obtained postpone and postpone and postpone.
Q Did there come a time the place the defendant informed you he was contemplating having a baby with another person?
A Sure. In 2015 he informed me he was contemplating having a baby with Marianna. And requested me if I might … decide to staying with him, even with no relationship and no kids.
Q Did he say the rest in that dialog?
A Yeah. Effectively, sure. He … shared with me that …. Marianna had had abortions.
Q Miss Salzman, when the defendant mentioned that he was contemplating having a baby with Marianna, how did you react?
A I used to be very upset. It felt very hurtful and complicated to me.
Q What did you do?
A I had an entire meltdown … however then my emotional response turned the — you already know, the rationale that I’m making issues more durable and creating extra issues, and why there are such a lot of difficulties with Marianna is a direct results of the truth that I behaved this manner, and so then in the end I went and apologized for my immaturity and unhealthy habits.
Q To who?
A To Keith.
Q Did you —
A And dedicated to stick with nothing. No relationship and no kids.
Q Did you — had been you permitted to talk to anybody else about this?
A Sure. However he requested me to please to not communicate to my mom about it. And I requested who I can communicate to about it, and he needed — he instructed Dani Padilla, and I didn’t wish to. And I requested if I might have permission to talk to Rosa Laura and he mentioned, Sure. And so I spoke to Rosa Laura
Q What’s Rosa Laura’s final identify?
Quick ahead a little bit bit to 2014. 2013 I needed to go away the connection [with Keith]. We weren’t having a relationship any extra in that approach [sexual]. However I used to be informed I’d have the ability to have it. He requested me if I might keep. He mentioned he would spend money on our relationship if I did keep and we’d have kids inside 5 years.
2014 he began Ultima, which was a brand new firm, and that new firm had a collection of firms inside it. And he took the ethics curriculum. And I used to be the pinnacle of the ethics board in NXIVM and certainly one of solely two individuals who taught that curriculum because it had existed prior. He took it and put it within the new firm, Ultima. And he made …. Daniella Padilla, the pinnacle of this new ethics curriculum.
So he took the ethics curriculum out of ESP, out of the place I taught, and put it within the new factor and now Daniella was the pinnacle of it.
So by the point — Pam obtained sick in 2015, and round this time, you already know, we took two journeys to Fiji [Wakaya Island] and –as a result of Pam needed to see Fiji earlier than she died and people journeys had been very Marianna centric. It was no matter Marianna needed. The journey centered round Marianna.
And he informed me on the journey that he was … considering of getting a baby with Marianna to steadiness issues out.
And to me this was like fully loopy as a result of a lot was centering round Marianna and I didn’t perceive how giving Marianna extra was going to steadiness all the things out.
And in these two years that Pam was sick, I discovered myself very a lot on the skin. And when he informed me …. he [was] considering of getting a baby with Marianna, on that very same journey he requested me to agree to stick with no youngster and no relationship.
So I’ve now been 12 years ready for a relationship and a baby …. that by no means got here. I had been lower out of a number of management roles within the group. And within the two years Pam was sick, unexpectedly Keith was surrounded by a brand new group of individuals and had this new interior circle.
And in January, at New Years … we did this New Yr’s course of the place we’d get collectively and share all of our objectives… like what had been the highs and lows of the final yr. And I used to be in a bunch with Monica, Daniella Padilla and Loreta Garza and I shared that [about Keith and her and her demotion]. In some unspecified time in the future — and I don’t know when it occurred, unexpectedly I discovered myself on the skin of my group of buddies. …. all the things modified and now I wasn’t a part of the interior group anymore.
And there had additionally been this trip… in December, so I’m going again — I’m kind of leaping round a little bit, simply a variety of issues occurred to tell why I believe it’s important.
Keith and Marianna rented a home in Woodstock at Christmastime they usually invited a bunch of us to go. And it was probably the most weird journey to me. It was like the approaching out in a public discussion board of Keith and Marianna’s relationships.
So it was like Keith and Marianna sharing a bed room. Her dad was there. Her brother and his spouse had been there. And a bunch of my girlfriends, me and my mother, and Jim [Del Negro] and Esther [Chiappone Carlson]. It was such a bizarre group of individuals. However the entire thing was like Keith and Marianna as a pair, and all people else there glad about it. However I didn’t really feel glad about it. And it was complicated to me. And it was upsetting to me, and I didn’t perceive it.
After which later — so then he tells me unexpectedly, after 12 years, suddenly, [Keith says] I wish to deliver our relationship nearer, [then] will get me in a collateralized vow for like dedicated to development.
I’m the pinnacle of the expansion program of ESP, now I’m in a collateralized life vow backing my phrase for development, and ten days later he tells me Marianna’s pregnant, which he had identified for 3 months.
And so I used to be — I used to be like this — oh, my God, like there’s no approach — like he obtained me to remain as a result of he thought I would depart if Marianna was pregnant. And he stole from me and himself the power to know if I might have stayed it doesn’t matter what with out being 100% collateralized vow.
Q How did he get you to remain?
A By getting me to vow that by means of a collateralized vow [DOS] — my complete life was collateralized on this. And likewise I used to be — I’m the pinnacle of the expansion program of ESP. I mentioned I might do something for development. I’m 100% dedicated to development. I collateralized my complete life and now unexpectedly I’m saying I don’t wish to do that with you as a result of Marianna’s pregnant?
My life couldn’t have existed intact anymore. It couldn’t — it couldn’t have. I couldn’t have maintained the integrity of my entire life if I all sudden gone I don’t wish to do that. And I hundred p.c suppose that the timing on it [getting her branded etc.] is due to that [Mariana being pregnant. Keep in mind that Lauren was the last first line DOS slave master, coming in about a year after the others].
Q Any significance to the truth that Rosa Laura Junco was the one which approached you [to join DOS]?
A Hundred p.c significance. As a result of when he informed me after we had been in Fiji a yr prior, and he informed me … that he was considering of getting a child with Marianna and I used to be extremely upset and distressed over it … he informed me he didn’t need me to talk to my mother about it. And I didn’t know who to speak to about it. And he mentioned how about Daniella Padilla? And I didn’t wish to discuss Daniella Padilla about it. And he mentioned who do you wish to discuss? And I mentioned Rosa Laura.
And Rosa Laura was the one who a yr earlier reenrolled me in staying in a relationship with him when he was selecting to have a child with a Marianna and telling me I used to be going to stick with nothing.
So she had already been the one I needed to go to, and the one I trusted and the one who had efficiently reconvinced me that this was one of the best path for me due to my development, due to the chance to have the ability to achieve issues by means of having her as my mentor and my trainer, staying on this relationship with him. That I might by no means have the ability to have him the entire remainder of my life ever if I left.
And so she was hundred p.c, I believe associated to — 100% associated to why she was chosen to be to the one to ask me [to join DOS], and on the time when Marianna really was pregnant.
Q On the time you realized of Marianna’s being pregnant, did you query the defendant’s motives in enrolling you into DOS?
A Sure. And that I couldn’t deal with it. I used to be like there’s no approach he might have finished that. And I stuffed it, I compartmentalized it, and hundred p.c went full drive ahead with my conviction that DOS was not unhealthy, that it was a development program, that it was superb, that this was for girls, and for me to get by means of my points, and I simply did that.
Q You probably did tie your continued employment, your work with ESP, to staying dedicated to the defendant?
A I did, sure.
Q Are you able to clarify that?
A As a result of I gave my phrase, which is a large factor in our firm [but not to Raniere], that I might be 100% dedicated to my development, and my development was this collateralized vow of obedience.
So I left it [alone], I might be breaking my phrase to decide to development. How might I keep within the place I used to be in as the pinnacle of the expansion program that taught the idea of collateral — of self-discipline, of phrase, of all these items if I used to be the one who didn’t do it?
Q Trying again now, do you see significance about when DOS was created as to — as associated to Pam Cafritz, the lady you had been describing earlier?
A Yeah, I do.
Q Are you able to clarify that?
A As a result of I believe Pam facilitated all Keith’s targets. No matter Keith needed in a lot of his private relationships, and particularly my relationship with Keith was facilitated by Pam…. She reenrolled me in my relationship with Keith time and time once more all through the length of my relationship with Keith. And on the time she died, I believe she left, from her sickness and her subsequent demise, left a giant gap of people that had been that and would do this for him and DOS was doing that.
As I wrote up to now, DOS was the alternative for Pam Cafritz. Raniere might do by drive, extortion and blackmail what Pam did for him with the assistance of Nancy Salzman, Barbara Jeske, Kristin Keeffe. Keeffe left and Cafritz died and DOS was created.
You will have learn Lauren’s testimony in regards to the deception Raniere used to in the end deprive her of a kid. He was helped by senior girls like Rosa Laura Junco and Pam Cafrtiz. Perhaps it was greatest that Lauren in her psychological situation didn’t have kids.
However it might have been much better if Raniere’s mom had adopted the identical course.